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basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it. marvin, go ahead. >> i agree with you, pat. the relevant point is vietnam was in his point. he did not want to go too far or get trapped in baghdad. this is one of the most fascinating things, you can get in on the act, too. the way one of the presidents after another, vietnam sits there just hanging around and even if you wanted to dump it, you couldn't. >> i asked obama about this a year ago and he maintains he's free of the vietnam. >> i agree with you. he's the one sitting there saying i'm not doing ten years. i'm not doing $1 trillion. it's about vietnam. it's about getting into a steal mate. >> yet, we s
basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it....
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. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> mullen told marines given the state of the u.s. economy, all the services they said cut back in the size of the force and maybe even military benefits. >> we will have to tighten our belt and prioritize and make hard decisions. >> in the middle of a war zone like many americans, these service members are worried about their jobs and asking what the heck is going on back in washington? >> here's a look at today's schedule. the senate will be in at sdmoon the vote will be set for 1:00 p.m. we will bring you live coverage of all the news on the hill.
. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating...
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this is his 15th trip to afghanistan, he made his way south to a very volatile area in afghanistan. so he was expecting questions, the fact that 10,000 troops will be going home by the end of the year, 28,000 by the end of next year. but these soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines want to know will they be getting their paychecks. they're very worried about that, and it's saddening to think that on their list of boworries, rpg iegs and now will they be paid. >> they have very tight budgets. >> absolutely. some of these men and women are living paycheck to paycheck. they have fam less back home depends on these paychecks. some of these men and women who come to afghanistan volunteer because they get a slight boost in their salaries. right now they're wondering if it's worth it, because will their families get the paychecks. and those are families worrying for their loved ones and they're also worrying, will they be able to pay for next week's groceries. the men and women here are worried about that, and they know they shouldn't be worrying about that in a war zone. >> atia, thank you
this is his 15th trip to afghanistan, he made his way south to a very volatile area in afghanistan. so he was expecting questions, the fact that 10,000 troops will be going home by the end of the year, 28,000 by the end of next year. but these soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines want to know will they be getting their paychecks. they're very worried about that, and it's saddening to think that on their list of boworries, rpg iegs and now will they be paid. >> they have very tight...
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obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghanistan, and they're wondering why their congressmen and women back home can't come up with a decision and can't help them actually receive their paychecks. alex? >> so, atia, then did they get reassurance at all? >> reporter: well, that was the interesting part. i wasn't actually down in kandahar with them, but from the reporters who were out there, they said admiral mullen didn't really have an answer for them. but what he did say he kind of made a joke out of it and said you should probably write letters to your congressmen and women. and that received chuckles from the crowd, because they realized as well, how ridiculous that is, because they're in a war zone. they're here risking their lives. but at the same time, they're also worried about thei
obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghanistan, and they're wondering why their congressmen and women back home can't come up with a decision and can't help them actually receive their paychecks. alex?...
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. >> our soldiers in afghanistan repeatedly asked admiral mullen yesterday, will we get paid? will our families get your checks? shame on the republicans for making that happen. in battle, when you accidentally shoot your own, it's called friendly fire. when you deliberately shoot your own it's called fraging. republicans stop fraging the american economy and american people. >> luke russert is live on the capitol hill with the latest. we have the senate and house now working hard what's happening? >> right now as you saw, richard, there is a spirited debate on the house floor about harry reid's bill. speaker boehner taking an interesting step. the house will, in fact, vote down harry reid's proposal to raise the nation's debt limit. interesting because harry reid says it is still not a finished product. speaker boehner and eric cantor taking a symbolic step showing the harry reid proposal has nowhere of going in the house. that should go about 2:30 p.m. mitch mcconnell and harry reid spoke on the senate floor back and forth. mitch mcconnell saying in order for there to be a c
. >> our soldiers in afghanistan repeatedly asked admiral mullen yesterday, will we get paid? will our families get your checks? shame on the republicans for making that happen. in battle, when you accidentally shoot your own, it's called friendly fire. when you deliberately shoot your own it's called fraging. republicans stop fraging the american economy and american people. >> luke russert is live on the capitol hill with the latest. we have the senate and house now working hard...
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you have been to afghanistan. this was your sixth tour. and you had two tours in iraq. >> actually, it was my fifth tour. i've been back since. >> jon: you've been back to afghanistan for another tour since you were wounded? >> yes. >> jon: you're luke skywalker. that's who you are. that's what this is. [cheering and applause] that's who you are. that's unbelievable. all right. so now you have been wounded in both legs. you've got... these are younger fellas. they're looking to you for leadership. are you still functioning in a capacity in that moment? >> yes. >> jon: how is that possible? is it training? is it just there's a certain something in you that wouldn't give up? >> it's training and it's the fact that we're all brothers out there, and you wouldn't... just like i wouldn't give up on one of my children, i wouldn't give up on my brothers. and that's this way i looked at it out there. and the way a bird takes care of it young one, feeds them until they can grow and hopes that they become good leaders. >> jon: right. >> it's just men
you have been to afghanistan. this was your sixth tour. and you had two tours in iraq. >> actually, it was my fifth tour. i've been back since. >> jon: you've been back to afghanistan for another tour since you were wounded? >> yes. >> jon: you're luke skywalker. that's who you are. that's what this is. [cheering and applause] that's who you are. that's unbelievable. all right. so now you have been wounded in both legs. you've got... these are younger fellas. they're...
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thanks so much, geoff. >>> we want to turn now to a developing story in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a suicide attack in kandahar that has killed that city's mayor, the second assassination of a top official in the southern taliban stronghold just this month comes just two weeks after the killing of the half brother of president hamid karzai. the late mayor had been mentioned as a possible successor to karzai's brother. the spokesman said the mayor had been a target for a long time and was attacked to avenge the death of two children who they claim were killed during demolition work in the city. >>> still ahead onw "way too early." a play at the plate in the 19th inning where the umpire quite simply wanted to get back to the hotel and go to bed. wait till you see this one. >>> and we continue our celebration of the second anniversary of "way too early" with a look at some of the great moments of the last year and a mystery celebrity caller who's up watching this program each and every morning. we'll get her on the phone and get a check on weath
thanks so much, geoff. >>> we want to turn now to a developing story in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a suicide attack in kandahar that has killed that city's mayor, the second assassination of a top official in the southern taliban stronghold just this month comes just two weeks after the killing of the half brother of president hamid karzai. the late mayor had been mentioned as a possible successor to karzai's brother. the spokesman said the mayor had been a...
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the afghanistan war, the iraq war are winding down. the office of management budget, congressional budget said if you take $1 trillion it will lower the debt by $1 trillion and allow us to take an additional $200 billion in interest savings, that's what we have in our bill. it's all been done by the nonpartisan congressional budget office. i can't imagine the fact they have voted for, let's see, 230 republicans voted for that in the so-called budget. 40 republicans voted for it. why is it suddenly something they don't want? anyway -- [ question inaudible ] >> your math is terrific. can we get those four is 57 and we've got three more. we get 60. the issue has been now for a week or so a trigger. if the joint committee doesn't come up with a result, what should happen? we've been willing to say that we're happy if we don't arrive at the budget goals with the joint committee that certain things should happen. we've been willing to say there could be a seqestration as long as this includes revenues. we have billionaires and millionaires a
the afghanistan war, the iraq war are winding down. the office of management budget, congressional budget said if you take $1 trillion it will lower the debt by $1 trillion and allow us to take an additional $200 billion in interest savings, that's what we have in our bill. it's all been done by the nonpartisan congressional budget office. i can't imagine the fact they have voted for, let's see, 230 republicans voted for that in the so-called budget. 40 republicans voted for it. why is it...
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we have a tax cut that includes getting out of afghanistan and iraq, you oppose the high-end tax cuts and leave social security and medicare alone. one thing that bothers me, they talk about shared sacrifice. i don't think it's shared sacrifice saying somebody making $700,000 a year has to pay a few thousand more taxes, but a 90-year-old woman has to get tax increases. she shouldn't be a part of it. if they leave open the tax question we can accept, i'll accept and vote for more severe reductions in housing and education and the environment i would ideally like. that's a deal that is not fun for anybody. responsible people can support. it can only happen if mcconnell and reid will compromise. will john boehner stand up to his right wing and join us in an effort to make it whole. >> barney frank, i appreciate your time. speaker boehner's speech made it clear. what about the impact of his propo proposed legislation to his own district? >>> welcome back to "the ed show." let's take a closer look what john boehner's bill will do in your own backyard. he represents the 8th district in ohio
we have a tax cut that includes getting out of afghanistan and iraq, you oppose the high-end tax cuts and leave social security and medicare alone. one thing that bothers me, they talk about shared sacrifice. i don't think it's shared sacrifice saying somebody making $700,000 a year has to pay a few thousand more taxes, but a 90-year-old woman has to get tax increases. she shouldn't be a part of it. if they leave open the tax question we can accept, i'll accept and vote for more severe...
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, this is his 15th trip to afghanistan. and probably one of the last ones. i'm pretty sure this is one of the last questions that he expected, but apparently it was the biggest question that he received among the sailors, the soldiers, the airmen and the marines. he was quite honest with them when he said he didn't know what this meant for their paycheck. these are men and women in afghanistan, here months at a time, sometimes years at a time away from their families, expecting a paycheck, expecting a paycheck for fighting for their country. on top of worrying about ieds and rpgs, now they have to worry about whether they will be paid and their families will be provided for. >> since we're talking about this and luke was talking about what's happening on the hill, are there a lot of questions coming from those serving in the military, contractors that are in afghanistan, war theaters abroad, what have you heard in terms of what's happening here in washington? >> reporter: what most americans here that aren't in the armed fo
, this is his 15th trip to afghanistan. and probably one of the last ones. i'm pretty sure this is one of the last questions that he expected, but apparently it was the biggest question that he received among the sailors, the soldiers, the airmen and the marines. he was quite honest with them when he said he didn't know what this meant for their paycheck. these are men and women in afghanistan, here months at a time, sometimes years at a time away from their families, expecting a paycheck,...
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now wright about a man behind the suicide blast in afghanistan that killed seven kooi officers and contractors. happened in december of 2009. tell us about his role in both the cia and al qaeda. >> what's remarkable about this man from the cia's side nobody had seen him. he was recruited by another agencies the jordanians and sent to pakistan. what was really a mission with little expectations, he wasn't a trained spy. but there was a hope that because he was a doctor because of his medical conditions he could get into the tribal areas. it helped us on drone strikes. started to get us very close to thinking we could take out senior al qaeda leaders. his information was really good. >> very quickly, you just said nobody had ever seen him, is that how he was able to infiltrate that base? >> when you have a good agent you go to all kind measures to protect his identity. they didn't want anybody to see him. everything was focused on trying to get in man into a cia base before anybody could see him. he had three layers of security without being searched until he was within the presence of a cia off
now wright about a man behind the suicide blast in afghanistan that killed seven kooi officers and contractors. happened in december of 2009. tell us about his role in both the cia and al qaeda. >> what's remarkable about this man from the cia's side nobody had seen him. he was recruited by another agencies the jordanians and sent to pakistan. what was really a mission with little expectations, he wasn't a trained spy. but there was a hope that because he was a doctor because of his...
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it includes savings from winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know that some republicans will quibble over these savings but they have no leg to stand on. but wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cut for the conduct and the worst ads to our debt, to is undeniable that winding down the war's delivers savings. the administration tells us with the wind down, they can't prosecute -- they can count on billions of dollars over the next decade the cbo count $1.67 trillion. we know the republicans agree theythis mstath because included the same settings in the ryan budget that passed the house. they never criticized that accounting and it is hard to see how they could do so now. lastly, senator reid's proposal allows for a joint committee that has the potential to achieve deeper savings down the road. all in all, this is an offer that republicans cannot refuse. all of the cuts in center repots proposal have been supported at one point or another by re
it includes savings from winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know that some republicans will quibble over these savings but they have no leg to stand on. but wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cut for the conduct and the worst ads to our debt, to is undeniable that winding down the war's delivers savings. the administration tells us with the wind down, they can't prosecute --...
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away from the capitol, the capitol hill deadlock, the debt crisis is weighing heavily on troops in afghanistan and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombing rocked the city around th them, a question they couldn't answer -- will we get paid?" admiral mullen went on to say, i don't know the answer to that question. but either way those soldiers, he said, all of you must continue to work every day. mr. president, this is really unacceptable. a country as rich and powerful as ours, men and women with bombs going on around them, shouldn't worry whether this country will leave them high and dry. this afternoon i asked those who have said they will never compromise on any terms to think about who their spub borness will really hurt. seniors, soldiers and others. i've spoken to the vice president this morning, in fact a couple of times. he's hopeful. of course we have to be hopeful and we're close to an agreement with republican leaders. the framework of this agreement is based on new ideas and old ideas. after speaking to republican leader mitch mcconnell this morning, we are cautiou
away from the capitol, the capitol hill deadlock, the debt crisis is weighing heavily on troops in afghanistan and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombing rocked the city around th them, a question they couldn't answer -- will we get paid?" admiral mullen went on to say, i don't know the answer to that question. but either way those soldiers, he said, all of you must continue to work every day. mr. president, this is really unacceptable. a country as rich and powerful as...
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troops in afghanistan have a question for the nation's top military man. will they get paid? his answer, coming up on msnbc saturday. [ barks ] ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ whistles ] ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ ting! ] [ male announcer ] travelers can help you protect the things you care about and save money with multi-policy discounts. are you getting the coverage you need and the discounts you deserve? for an agent or quote, call 800-my-coverage or visit travelers.com. dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center recommends the custom-fit orthotic that's best for your tired feet. foot-care scientists are behind it. you'll get all-day relief. for your tired achy feet. for locations, see drscholls.com. thank you... ♪ going to the bank without going to the bank... that's a step forward. with chase quickdeposit on your smartphone, you just snap a picture, hit send and done. chase quickdeposit. take a step forward and chase what matters. ♪ we just keep on keepin' on ♪ ♪ keep on >>> well kol back to msnbc saturday. we have new word from president obama this morning on the debt crisis
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even if we get rid of al qaeda in afghanistan or pakistan, we won't simply wipe it out in every country this is an organization that will be with us for decades, one way or another. what we have to do is try to minimize the threat as much as possible and there are positive signs that we're moving in that direction. >> okay. evan kohlman, always sobering, thank you for bring to us. >>> and lawmakers very close to an agreement. but a white house senior adviser says no deal yet. more twists in the road ahead, and we'll tell you why. overhe south pific in 1943 vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003. u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve. dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center recommends the custom-fit orthotic that's best for your tired feet. foot-care scientists are behind it. you'll get all-day relief. for your t
even if we get rid of al qaeda in afghanistan or pakistan, we won't simply wipe it out in every country this is an organization that will be with us for decades, one way or another. what we have to do is try to minimize the threat as much as possible and there are positive signs that we're moving in that direction. >> okay. evan kohlman, always sobering, thank you for bring to us. >>> and lawmakers very close to an agreement. but a white house senior adviser says no deal yet....
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, and also in iraq, but the once that mik was covering in afghanistan are asking, are we going to get paid? and they're living paycheck to paycheck. and tahey've got families back home that are relying on those paychecks. and for them to be told by the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs, mike mullen, who is a really stand-up guy for the troops, that he cannot assure them that they're going to get their pay, that brought it home, i think, more powerfully than anything that has happened in this debate. and if the men and women in the senate and the men and women in the house were watching television tonight and saw that, they ought to be hanging their heads. >> chuck, what do you think the surprises we can expect over the next 12 hours to be? would it be the fact that it's going to be -- we may see the reid bill go away completely, and hearing that these negotiations continue with the white house, it could be something that's more evolved out of mitch mcconnell's own doing? >> look, that has always been the hope here out of the senate with a lot of senators, democrat and republican a
, and also in iraq, but the once that mik was covering in afghanistan are asking, are we going to get paid? and they're living paycheck to paycheck. and tahey've got families back home that are relying on those paychecks. and for them to be told by the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs, mike mullen, who is a really stand-up guy for the troops, that he cannot assure them that they're going to get their pay, that brought it home, i think, more powerfully than anything that has happened in...
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under whose watch did we have wars in afghanistan that we started? under his watch, the economy faltered that we had to rescue it from going off of a cliff. republicans are equally responsible if not more responsible than democrats for th situation we are in now. host: when the democrats had control, why didn't they raise taxes? guest: i agreed that raising taxes on people making over $250,000 was a good idea. obamantroduced a budget that called for that. by the end of 200010, -- 2010, the tax cuts were going to expire. there was a situation where the economy could get even worse. we will not extend a tax cuts for the middle class. if you do that, extend it for the rich. -- and he said, i will sacrifice to reach a compromise. he has shown that willingness many times over. host: republican line, for lauderdale florida. caller: i am very fearful of something going on with the politics of the united states into the discussion going on now. i see the democratic party developing what i call. you elt me, and i will get other people's money and take care of
under whose watch did we have wars in afghanistan that we started? under his watch, the economy faltered that we had to rescue it from going off of a cliff. republicans are equally responsible if not more responsible than democrats for th situation we are in now. host: when the democrats had control, why didn't they raise taxes? guest: i agreed that raising taxes on people making over $250,000 was a good idea. obamantroduced a budget that called for that. by the end of 200010, -- 2010, the tax...
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had he meant discretionary powers and when i see on the one hand ordering a young soldier to go to afghanistan, to fight for our country, and the next day that same family receives an order of deportation for the wife, there's something fundamentally, morally wrong with our broken immigration system. so i was there to say, mr. president, use your discretionary power against those immigrants that aren't criminals, against those criminals -- against those immigrants in this country that you know need your help. when you see a marriage and there's an american citizen, help them out. when you see young students who came here when they were 3, 4, 5 years old and they are 18 or 19 and in school and doing well, say you'll defer action. what we want to do is have a balanced approach. 1 million deportations, he made a commitment to the immigrant nation that he would allow people to come out of the shadows. that it was wrong to rip a child from a mother's arms, that's what he said when he received the nomination in denver. >> do you feel the same thing with same-sex marriages when they are facing immigr
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this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and unless it sent roe v. wade back to the courts for decision to take choice away from women. this element is prevalent in the united states right now, and we can't kid ourselves, because it is extremism under the form of christianity. >> thank you, frank. >>> and now, like the fall of communism, some are beginning to suggest that multiculturalism has had the day. in the last few months a number of world leaders from prime minister david cameron in the uk to chancellor angel la ameria mm germany have spoken of the fall of this. and just as europe have developed a single currency and tried to be a unified union
this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and...
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let's talk about the debt ceiling, afghanistan -- >> a music guy. >> amazing. >> forget about it! >> seriously. >> i am not kidding, she's incredible. >> do you have any other news we can't use? >> no. >> let's watch that again. >> i want to hear "free man in par paris." >> she is good at the guitar. >> you started in your 20s yes. >> did you grow up like donna summer, singing in the church? >> no. my family sat around and sang. that's what we do. this is over sharing. >> no, it's not. >> who did you look op to musically? >> patty griffin. girls from austin. i love them so much. if i saw them here -- >> savannah! >> i am surprised. peel back this onion and there are so many layers. >> america already loved you, and now we don't know what to do with you're so great. >> she will be reciting poetry next hour. >> coming up, chuck schumer. >> announcer: this past year alone there's been a 67% spike in companies embracing the cloud-- big clouds, small ones, public, private, even hybrid. your data and apps must move easily and securely to reach many clouds, not just one. that's why the n
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items balancing the budget eventually is a $1 trillion we are going to save from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a peace dividend. now in the deliberations, republicans say that does not count any longer. having voted for it. so there is more than a little inconsistency all the way are around. that'll it is serious when you hear some members, a freshman, and some of the people campaigning for president, saying that you really do not have to raise the debt ceiling. and you would not really compromise anything much. but the truth is, the facts showed you can pay off the entitlements, but then you cannot pay soldiers in the field. you cannot have a justice department. you cannot have anybody looking at whether your borders are sick. you cannot have education. you cannot pay anything if you pay those bills and interest on bonds. that is it. >> that is why i think the good news in as bad situation is john boehner saying he still thinks we can get a big deal. >> the rupert murdoch scandal may have cost the atlantic. at the department of justice and all kinds of federal agencies will be going after th
items balancing the budget eventually is a $1 trillion we are going to save from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a peace dividend. now in the deliberations, republicans say that does not count any longer. having voted for it. so there is more than a little inconsistency all the way are around. that'll it is serious when you hear some members, a freshman, and some of the people campaigning for president, saying that you really do not have to raise the debt ceiling. and you would not really...
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they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working with the civil affairs team, giving out flags to children and local leaders. they would look at the flag and say what is this. you would have to explain, it's your country. there's another thing, i think you brought up a good point, joe. afghanistan is not iraq. you are right. there's a crucial player, though that factors in. that's iran. iran is not only very active and involved, but in addition to that, iran is part of the summit takes place in december between the leaders of pakistan, afghanistan and iran. iran is trying to show its hand in the larger conversation. how that plays out is going to have a
they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working...
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would you say the fact that you work together and serve together in afghanistan is actually a better situation than if one of you had stayed back because you would live difficult lives and separate lives? >> i didn't hear the question. >> so what i'm asking, sergeant -- >> i'm sorry, what was the question? >> no problem. i know there's a delay here. the fact that you guys get to work together and spend time together, it sounds like it's working out quite well compared to many of those who serve with you where one of them is in the united states. >> yes, it's great having him out here. i know most of us -- well, almost everybody has to leave their loved ones behind, but it's great to see him every day here and be able to talk to him as much as we do. >> sergeant and corporal, thank you very much for what you do there. thank you for your time today and sharing with us how you've made it work serving together there in afghanistan, which is so important to all of us here in the united states. thank you again for your time. >>> and yet another twitter milestone for justin bieber and his t
would you say the fact that you work together and serve together in afghanistan is actually a better situation than if one of you had stayed back because you would live difficult lives and separate lives? >> i didn't hear the question. >> so what i'm asking, sergeant -- >> i'm sorry, what was the question? >> no problem. i know there's a delay here. the fact that you guys get to work together and spend time together, it sounds like it's working out quite well compared to...
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is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the int still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china control the pacific. there is one thing that your question raises and i can tell you for sure that we are headed for a time of trade-offs, ok? we cannot simply jump in everywhere that we want. if i have to have a trade-off, then the ones i am looking for where i would consider participating ar
is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the int still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means....
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in afghanistan. i was only help -- hopeful to lead a small sample of those downrange, to look them in the eye and let them know how much i appreciate what they and their families do for our country. looking forward i knew that it would be very difficult for me to express my feelings for these young men and women, in a way that would allow me to get through this speech. a personal message from me to all of the servicemen and women across the world was published and distributed in the military channel. i will just say that here -- i will think of these young warriors, the ones who fought and keep on fighting, and those who never made it back until the end of my days. and as i was contemplating this moment i thought about something becky told me in january 2005 when i was as to the first director of national intelligence. i was wrestling with this decision and i told her she could make it easier if she said she did not want to go back to washington. she said, you have to do what you have to do. this is
in afghanistan. i was only help -- hopeful to lead a small sample of those downrange, to look them in the eye and let them know how much i appreciate what they and their families do for our country. looking forward i knew that it would be very difficult for me to express my feelings for these young men and women, in a way that would allow me to get through this speech. a personal message from me to all of the servicemen and women across the world was published and distributed in the military...
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muslim plotted the attack saying he wanted to "get even with the military for fighting in iraq and afghanistan." >>> new jersey governor chris christie left the hospital last night after being treated briefly for asthma. the governor says he experienced shortness of breath and lied headedness. it didn't take long for the question of a president's run to come up, of course. let's listen. >> if i decided i want to run for president, i think you know me, charlie, i'd do it, and if there were people who don't think i'm up to it, they ought not vote for me, but we're not at that stage at the moment, so i don't have to worry about it. >> every time i hear him talk about this campaign i swear it sounds like he's looking for a way to run. not a way to not run. hamlet, move over. >>> in a prime example of art imitating life, a spy novelist. major shifts in his story. the product, a riveting and very relevant new book called portrait of a spy. the author, here again. daniel silva. first of all, congratulations. "wall street journal" best-seller. number one. >> number one. >> it will catch up. >> they do
muslim plotted the attack saying he wanted to "get even with the military for fighting in iraq and afghanistan." >>> new jersey governor chris christie left the hospital last night after being treated briefly for asthma. the governor says he experienced shortness of breath and lied headedness. it didn't take long for the question of a president's run to come up, of course. let's listen. >> if i decided i want to run for president, i think you know me, charlie, i'd do...
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troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rock the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. a question he couldn't answer. will we -- these are soldiers in afghanistan with bombs bursting around them and here is what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said. and i quote, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i noknow mike mcmullen responde while at the same time saying continuing to work each day, wearing the uniform, listening to bombs go off around them. that's why today we have with us some -- what is referred to you by you press folks as real people. i guess we're not. we have students like laura and sydney, veterans like bill and roger and carlos, arianna, who is a senior, guillermo, who say senior, lucia, a senior, felicia is a senior, mary ellen is a senior, alisa is a senior, they're here representing the millions of people around this country who are as brave as the soldiers on the front lines in afghanistan.
troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rock the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. a question he couldn't answer. will we -- these are soldiers in afghanistan with bombs bursting around them and here is what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said. and i quote, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i noknow mike mcmullen responde while at the same time saying continuing to work each day, wearing...
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been wanting to take a trip to the middle east, or i know you've been wanting to be on the missions to afghanistan, and that would turn a corner. >> or something with a base in their district. that does not work with this tea party caucus. that according to jeff blake, republican, was saying last night. that is refreshing in a lot of regards. this is the reform that a lot of people want. but the question is, has it gone too far. does it go beyond the limits of what is reasonable and what is gettable. and are they going to, you know, give up the goods trying to get the perfect here because they do have the offer of cuts, the trillion -- up to a trillion dollars in the boehner bill and more that they gave up in the earlier compromise that was rejected last week. and, you know, they could have gotten up to $4 trillion. now it will be a lot less. they could get $4 trillion just by giving up the bush tax cuts. there are a lot of options here, but they're not willing to concede -- that group is not willing to concede any kind of revenue changes and that has been one of the sticking points. the other sti
been wanting to take a trip to the middle east, or i know you've been wanting to be on the missions to afghanistan, and that would turn a corner. >> or something with a base in their district. that does not work with this tea party caucus. that according to jeff blake, republican, was saying last night. that is refreshing in a lot of regards. this is the reform that a lot of people want. but the question is, has it gone too far. does it go beyond the limits of what is reasonable and what...
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here is the bush tax cuts this is this is where we'd be without the bush tax cuts the wars in iraq and afghanistan the impact of the great recession. and the recovery building things like that ok so you're repeating basically there would be no increase in the debt if we ended the wars but most importantly if we got rid of the bush tax cuts but there is republicans now say they're not going to rid of the bush tax cuts and b. what they've been trying to do is destroy invalid programs from the get go nine hundred thirty five f.d.r. gets social security passed what the republicans want to do take it down they've been fighting it ever since and one hundred seventy eight or nine hundred sixty one when l.b.j. passed medicare they've been fighting that ever since is socialism you know ok but we do so we do not have a spending problem our debt has been fueled by the bush era tax tax cuts and war spending the impact of government spending our deficits and has pretty miniscule here's the here's current job deficit projections ok again the yellow is the wars in iraq and afghanistan the goal here is the bush e
here is the bush tax cuts this is this is where we'd be without the bush tax cuts the wars in iraq and afghanistan the impact of the great recession. and the recovery building things like that ok so you're repeating basically there would be no increase in the debt if we ended the wars but most importantly if we got rid of the bush tax cuts but there is republicans now say they're not going to rid of the bush tax cuts and b. what they've been trying to do is destroy invalid programs from the get...
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barbara, a very dramatic development today in afghanistan. mullen goes there and troops start asking him, troops who are risking their lives fighting for the united states in afghanistan, will they be paid next week? >> these are young troops, wolf, in combat. you and i have covered the pentagon for a long time. they are on the front lines. the chairman of the joint chiefs spend the day in afghanistan. he wants to talk about the war. the troops have a different idea in mind. they want to know will they get paid and will their families be taken care of. this is just the beginning because now with all the talk in washington about money, money, money, the pentagon itself is right in the cross hairs. the pentagon spend nearly $700 billion a year on wars, fighter jets, bombings and bullets. rich target to cut spending to reduce the deficit. president obama's incoming top military advisor is playing ball to an extent. >> if we don't show we recognize that the nation has a significant economic problem and then do our part whatever that part may be t
barbara, a very dramatic development today in afghanistan. mullen goes there and troops start asking him, troops who are risking their lives fighting for the united states in afghanistan, will they be paid next week? >> these are young troops, wolf, in combat. you and i have covered the pentagon for a long time. they are on the front lines. the chairman of the joint chiefs spend the day in afghanistan. he wants to talk about the war. the troops have a different idea in mind. they want to...
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happened when admiral mike mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs who was visiting afghanistan right now, our jim milk krzyzewski chef -- mckrzyz there now. we were asked from a soldier in a war the table, but our men and women are in harm's way, and i'm not going to shortchange them at this critical time. >> if pulls on the heartstrings across america. no doubt. stand by. i know you're watching the meeting that is supposedly happening between the president and democratic leaders. felicia, one last question here. what do you think then is this meeting with president obama? based on what leader mcconnell was saying, is it more the president telling the democratic leaders what he may have been discussing with senator mcconnell? >> reporter: certainly the president has been in discussions with the democrats to see what is passable. part of the process going forward is what's able to pass the senate. we found out about an hour ago that the senate budget committee chairman, kent conrad, has been engaged -- a democrat -- has been engaged with several republicans on the hill in an attempt to se
happened when admiral mike mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs who was visiting afghanistan right now, our jim milk krzyzewski chef -- mckrzyz there now. we were asked from a soldier in a war the table, but our men and women are in harm's way, and i'm not going to shortchange them at this critical time. >> if pulls on the heartstrings across america. no doubt. stand by. i know you're watching the meeting that is supposedly happening between the president and democratic leaders. felicia,...
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in my opinion, none of those overseas in iraq or afghanistan or anywhere else should also have to fight illegal action by the people back home just to keep a roof over the home -- the heads of their loved ones. and, by the way, they have already been admitted to by the banks. to conduct a thorough, thorough, bipartisan investigation into these systemic abuses. initially, we had positive signs. on february 11, we adopted the committee's oversight plan, the blueprint, in designated priorities. as part of that plan, we voted unanimously to investigate, and i quote, the wrongful foreclosures and other abuses by the mortgage industry. we also looked at a bipartisan hearing in her heart wrenching testimony of disabled veterans who suffered abuses at the hands of a mortgage servicing company, including illegally eviction. the committee has done nothing. i send them myself. i asked the chairman to invite jpmorgan to testify about their illegal foreclosures against service members, but they declined. to refuse to provide even a single response of document, not a single syllable, i asked the chai
in my opinion, none of those overseas in iraq or afghanistan or anywhere else should also have to fight illegal action by the people back home just to keep a roof over the home -- the heads of their loved ones. and, by the way, they have already been admitted to by the banks. to conduct a thorough, thorough, bipartisan investigation into these systemic abuses. initially, we had positive signs. on february 11, we adopted the committee's oversight plan, the blueprint, in designated priorities. as...
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plus, what this crisis means for funding troops in afghanistan. this morning many soldiers are asking, will we get paid? >>> good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc saturday. we're approaching 10:00 a.m. on the east coast, 7:00 a.m. out west. congress has set itself up for a day of infighting today as the debt deadline draws dangerously close. the senate will start its session at 1:00 p.m. eastern and it's planning to debate a debt bill for at least 12 hours before holding a t
plus, what this crisis means for funding troops in afghanistan. this morning many soldiers are asking, will we get paid? >>> good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc saturday. we're approaching 10:00 a.m. on the east coast, 7:00 a.m. out west. congress has set itself up for a day of infighting today as the debt deadline draws dangerously close. the senate will start its session at 1:00 p.m. eastern and it's planning to debate a debt bill for at least 12 hours before...
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back to afghanistan, perception is reality. the difference between transitioning to afghan control in a reasoned way and withdrawalling from the fight is american is important. the perception i am finding on the ground that the announcement of the president is more of a withdrawn than transition. that has to be corrected or it could jeopardize the whole operations. remember what iran is up to. remember what syria is up to. remember what the taliban and our al-qaeda want. they want to dominate this region, to destroy what we're fighting for. which is basic freedom. we are in a titanic struggle with unsave sorry characters -- unsavory characters. the outcome does matter to us. if we win and help the people, we're all safer. if the people fight back in the region are overtaken by the forces we'll all pay a price. a lot is at stake. >> i agree, and i just want to add on the fourth of july weekend, we're here because we were attacked from here on 9/11. and if we don't succeed here, and the taliban comes back in to power, we'll be at
back to afghanistan, perception is reality. the difference between transitioning to afghan control in a reasoned way and withdrawalling from the fight is american is important. the perception i am finding on the ground that the announcement of the president is more of a withdrawn than transition. that has to be corrected or it could jeopardize the whole operations. remember what iran is up to. remember what syria is up to. remember what the taliban and our al-qaeda want. they want to dominate...
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in afghanistan. >> and that's not all. take a look at the government checks and electronic payments that went out in the month of june. medicare claims are at the top of the list. they accounted for 100 million checks, 70 million of those to doctors, the rest to other providers, like hospitals and labs. second on the list, the category that you're hearing most about, more than 56 million social security payments were made in june. also in the top five, more than 6 million checks and payments to active duty and retired defense personnel. there's worry that the sheer number of payments going out have dulled lawmakers and agencies in washington to the reality of exactly what the government is spending. >> i don't believe that there really is a realization that this is really real money. one of the basic prerequisites of the government is a payment from the government. there isn't a stop payment capability. it's not like a commercial check that can be stopped. >> that means a government-issued check is as good as cash. if you
in afghanistan. >> and that's not all. take a look at the government checks and electronic payments that went out in the month of june. medicare claims are at the top of the list. they accounted for 100 million checks, 70 million of those to doctors, the rest to other providers, like hospitals and labs. second on the list, the category that you're hearing most about, more than 56 million social security payments were made in june. also in the top five, more than 6 million checks and...
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money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american campaign calling the afghan war fragile and reversible. petraeus says now is the time to rekindle a once, trusting relationship. >> carl, you talked about debt and the money we have been pouring into the wars over the past decade. we are spending $2 billion to $2.5 billion a week. >> it's never going to change. that's the real point. this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists?
money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american...
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muslim, plotted this attack, saying he wanted to get even with the military for the fighting in iraq and afghanistan. investigators say his targets were fellow soldiers at the army's sprawling ft. hood. texas police revealed today they arrested naser jason abdo yesterday at a motel near ft. hood. in his room, atf agents found enough explosives to make at least two timebombs. the police chief called abdo very dangerous. >> i can tell you that we would probably be here today giving you a different briefing had he not been stopped. >> reporter: in fact, federal officials say abdo planned to set off bombs today, just outside the army post. it was a tip from the owner of this gun store that led to his arrest. they believe abdo was acting suspiciously, asking too many questions. it's the same store where investigators say army major hassan bought the gun used in the 2009 shootings at ft. hood. last year while stationed in kentucky, abdo asked to be classified a conscientious objective. >> if you feel being in the military, goes against your conscience, use this army regulation, because that's what it's he
muslim, plotted this attack, saying he wanted to get even with the military for the fighting in iraq and afghanistan. investigators say his targets were fellow soldiers at the army's sprawling ft. hood. texas police revealed today they arrested naser jason abdo yesterday at a motel near ft. hood. in his room, atf agents found enough explosives to make at least two timebombs. the police chief called abdo very dangerous. >> i can tell you that we would probably be here today giving you a...
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. >> -- ask about military strategy or how a troop drawdown in afghanistan would affect them. no. they ask whether they would pay for republicans to force the united states government to stop paying its bills. a region that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers this month and wondered how they would take care of their families if the checks stopped coming next month. let me read a little bit of that that came out yesterday. "half a world away from the capitol, capitol hill deadlock, the debt crisis weighs heavily on troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rocked the city around them, was one a top united states military officer couldn't answer -- will we get paid?" admiral mullen went on to say, "i don't know the answer to that question. but either way, those soldiers, all of you must continue to work every day." this is really unacceptable. a country as rich and powerful as ours, men and women with bombs going off arnold them, shouldn't wonder if this country would leave them high and dry. this afternoon i've aske
. >> -- ask about military strategy or how a troop drawdown in afghanistan would affect them. no. they ask whether they would pay for republicans to force the united states government to stop paying its bills. a region that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers this month and wondered how they would take care of their families if the checks stopped coming next month. let me read a little bit of that that came out yesterday. "half a world away from the capitol,...
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the drawdown on savings from the drawdown on wars in iraq and afghanistan which is legitimate to do. the boehner plan says you have to have additional cuts of $1 trillion and that would necessity really murdering social security, medicare, benefits, and social security and so forth. correspond congressman nadler, thank you for joining us. hopefully between and you your republican colleagues, something will be worked out. >> if we don't work it out, the president will have to exercise his option under 14th amendment and we hope to persuade him to do that. >> thank you, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> kate bolduan joins us. the vote just completed in the senate side, what can you tell us? >> hey there, tom. the vote, as we expected, they effectively blocked the boehner bill. 59-41. there are 53 members who vote with the democratic party and able to pull over several republican votes actually to defeat this measure. this was largely a symbolic vote for democrats to show and others opposed to the boehner bill, for them to show this measure didn't have the support to pass in the senate
the drawdown on savings from the drawdown on wars in iraq and afghanistan which is legitimate to do. the boehner plan says you have to have additional cuts of $1 trillion and that would necessity really murdering social security, medicare, benefits, and social security and so forth. correspond congressman nadler, thank you for joining us. hopefully between and you your republican colleagues, something will be worked out. >> if we don't work it out, the president will have to exercise his...
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fellow santa fe and sergeant first class leroy petry was awarded the medal of honor for service in afghanistan yesterday by the teleprompter in chief now the army has a new high tech way of honoring the medal of honor recipients they put together a visual recreation of the events in a kind of digital comic book form you can go to the army got mil site will have linked it out a verse of the man dot com and relive the raid in which he risked his life to save his fellow rangers and lost his right hand despite being eligible for medical discharge petry has opted to stay on active duty to work with other injured soldiers we can only hope that before he leaves the ranks he gets to me specialist anonymous that's our show for tonight thanks here in the adam versus the magic of our website devoted to guess and topics and finally on the.
fellow santa fe and sergeant first class leroy petry was awarded the medal of honor for service in afghanistan yesterday by the teleprompter in chief now the army has a new high tech way of honoring the medal of honor recipients they put together a visual recreation of the events in a kind of digital comic book form you can go to the army got mil site will have linked it out a verse of the man dot com and relive the raid in which he risked his life to save his fellow rangers and lost his right...
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is not going to be determined in the prairies of afghanistan. the future of the u.s., whether you want to recognize it or not, is going to be determined by how well prepared we are to compete in a highly competitive 20th -- 20 per century, and that battle is going to be waged across the -- 21st century, and that battle is going to be waged across the ocean. as you walk off of this building, i want you to remember why we are in this race. it is about the generation behind us and the condition they will find our nation in. it is totally unsustainable, the debt trajectory that we are on. and number two, the reality of launching a new industrial revolution, it is within our grasp. it has happened before in our nation's history. problem-solving people can do it again. we need leadership and a game plan. and number three, we have to get our position right in the world. finally, let me say that we need someone who is electable. we have to pull together as a party. if you want to win in 2012, we have to have numbers. this is about addition, ladies and g
is not going to be determined in the prairies of afghanistan. the future of the u.s., whether you want to recognize it or not, is going to be determined by how well prepared we are to compete in a highly competitive 20th -- 20 per century, and that battle is going to be waged across the -- 21st century, and that battle is going to be waged across the ocean. as you walk off of this building, i want you to remember why we are in this race. it is about the generation behind us and the condition...